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Thread: Champ: Ace of Aces (9-1) vs Engivale (10-2)

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    Champ: Ace of Aces (9-1) vs Engivale (10-2)

    Pick a topic from the list. Verses are due on Sunday, voting ends on Tuesday night. Check in as early as possible and good luck!

    A.I.

    "She managed to extract from the restriction itself a further delicate thought, like good poets whom the tyranny of rhyme forces into the discovery of their finest lines."


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    Re: Champ: Ace of Aces (9-1) vs Engivale (10-2)

    cool. good luck homie.

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    Re: Champ: Ace of Aces (9-1) vs Engivale (10-2)

    checkers, dude.

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    Re: Champ: Ace of Aces (9-1) vs Engivale (10-2)

    A Hundred Reasons...

    Let my heart bleed.

    First breath and my curse sets the second the nurse slits
    That which usurps kids from being the Earth’s next
    Version of worst mis…carriages, varied in portions
    Parrying corpses, but I’m not talking chariot horses
    You carry the force that, gives our seasons to life
    You see my mother prayed for your touch
    …but was left feeling the sky
    With a keeling of lies, though she was quick to snip roses
    It happened twice to her, do you convict what it poses?
    She was sick and lived broken, until she had me
    So I could wilt as a last piece that you built and cracked clean?
    The will that I had seen, was sold to an eager buyer
    I tried my best to be loved, but I’d only leave her tired
    My hope was even wired, with demons on the other end
    I never had a father, mother, or even a brother then
    But you so happened to smother in, a few more but who for?
    A handful of souls, abused-torn with reduced cores
    So soon born, into hands that you never held or could hold either
    Finders evoke keepers? Guess we couldn’t be kept with no seeker

    My dreams danced amidst the clouds
    Came back and hit the ground
    So I held my head to the sky
    And asked if I had to live this out

    You laugh with your wisdom proud
    Cuz’ my lack brings this prison down
    I have a hundred reasons to stop
    Still it’s your hands that I kiss when bowed


    I comprehend the obvious and then ignore the pieces
    Why is it that the crowd is split when it’s your adhesives?
    I’ve bore the heat since, the matron put my name on
    Then stared into the empty sockets of the same ones
    What is it a game God? To be honest in a blunt saying
    I tipped my penny-camped hat but never had fun playing
    I’d run daily, oh how I wish it was the sun that burned my skin
    So with an earnest grin…I bet you know where I learned this sin
    You see I searched for purpose in…wrong places cuz I passed it
    On second thought, its cuz in your Grace it, wasn’t accessed
    At least not to me anyway, guess it wasn’t your will to bear
    I mean…what good’s a 4 year olds pillow prayer
    So I built low layers, grew up and never climbed
    I learned as child, don’t search what you can’t ever find
    Guess you taught me that, cuz I’m proudly announcing
    That you turned around from the cloud that you found me
    Saddest thing about it…is how much I hoped that you seen me too
    So why’d you leave me here, when I’m supposed to believe in you

    My dreams danced amidst the clouds
    Came back and hit the ground
    So I held my head to the sky
    And asked if I had to live this out

    You laugh with your wisdom proud
    Cuz’ my lack brings this prison down
    I have a hundred reasons to stop
    Still it’s your hands that I kiss when bowed










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    Re: Champ: Ace of Aces (9-1) vs Engivale (10-2)

    "Can't Buy me Love"



    What can you purchase with love when your hurt is
    Unbearable but to share it will make your nerves twitch...
    Naked but her nips are cold like iceberg'd ships...
    Hold the nice words for trips on the search for her lips...
    The worst is the new being, the thought of an "Us,"
    So often it must be a dream that we're seeing and Trust...
    Feeling it's just a blanket we feel safe under,
    It makes you wonder if we --- made the --- love pains younger...
    When the blame is cluttered and lost for a victim,
    The cost is we prosecute the prostitute system...
    Make laws for new prisons, --- Uncle Sam smiles ---
    Jesus is Risen and...
    Isn't that the reason for Man's trials?

    Back to the love, I made a pact with a dove --
    I promise to remain honest and grab with a glove....
    Lather and rub soap, like laughter with sud's coat;
    Trapped her with what's showed---
    The Master Crafter of lust's ode...
    It's singin', it's poetry, it's never bringin' my flow with me,
    It's either, or, make her see the door after goin' "OH!" with me...
    So that she feels like she steals SO many hearts...
    Throw many darts through her eyes while she tries
    To show me the arts...
    Soul sends me large warnings and reminds of scarred storings...
    No price to pay for rights to weigh memories
    Against tendencies toward things...

    No marriage contract, I don't want that ---
    No contact between banks to prepare tanks for combat...
    The problem's that we already think it's risky-
    So hit me and slap me for bein' lost in the history...
    It only makes misery...
    This modern medicated affair...
    Sedated and scared to be home alone with enabled despair...
    The empty table is bare, no woman could stay here...
    The day's clear and I see clouds that dry me up,
    can't buy me love, but I'd save fear...
    I'd keep it in match boxes like evil in past causes-
    I need you but I'm full of greed and my cash losses...
    The rap pauses - Skip a beat - And hit the street-
    My last loss is lit'rally because of the last bitch
    that showed her tits to me...

    A.I.

    "She managed to extract from the restriction itself a further delicate thought, like good poets whom the tyranny of rhyme forces into the discovery of their finest lines."


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    Re: Champ: Ace of Aces (9-1) vs Engivale (10-2)

    Ace of Aces:

    Favorite Lines:

    Version of worst mis…carriages, varied in portions
    Parrying corpses, but I’m not talking chariot horses
    You carry the force that, gives our seasons to life
    You see my mother prayed for your touch
    …but was left feeling the sky
    She was sick and lived broken, until she had me
    So I could wilt as a last piece that you built and cracked clean?
    The will that I had seen, was sold to an eager buyer
    I tried my best to be loved, but I’d only leave her tired
    My hope was even wired, with demons on the other end
    I never had a father, mother, or even a brother then
    But you so happened to smother in, a few more but who for?
    A handful of souls, abused-torn with reduced cores
    So soon born, into hands that you never held or could hold either
    Finders evoke keepers? Guess we couldn’t be kept with no seeker
    I’d run daily, oh how I wish it was the sun that burned my skin
    So with an earnest grin…I bet you know where I learned this sin
    At least not to me anyway, guess it wasn’t your will to bear
    I mean…what good’s a 4 year olds pillow prayer
    Saddest thing about it…is how much I hoped that you seen me too
    So why’d you leave me here, when I’m supposed to believe in you
    Engivale:

    Favorite Lines:

    What can you purchase with love when your hurt is
    Unbearable but to share it will make your nerves twitch...
    When the blame is cluttered and lost for a victim,
    The cost is we prosecute the prostitute system...
    Lather and rub soap, like laughter with sud's coat;
    Trapped her with what's showed---
    The Master Crafter of lust's ode...
    It's singin', it's poetry, it's never bringin' my flow with me,
    It's either, or, make her see the door after goin' "OH!" with me...
    So that she feels like she steals SO many hearts...
    Throw many darts through her eyes while she tries
    To show me the arts...
    No marriage contract, I don't want that ---
    No contact between banks to prepare tanks for combat...

    I think Ace of Aces blew away this battle with his piece, simply because he beautifully told the story of a boy's struggle with life, being born to a mother that herself had nothing but misfortunes. The syntax in his piece was simply superb, and it was very emotional, which allows the reader to connect with the story that he's telling. The piece flowed very well, and he carried on the topic exquisitely throughout the entire piece. Great job.

    I didn't enjoy Engivale's piece as much, his leaning a bit more on the humor/ironic side, which is definitely not a bad thing, but he didn't appear to carry it out as well as Ace carried his. The flow in his piece was also on point, and he had some great lines, but I don't feel it was powerful enough to top Ace's.

    V/ Ace of Aces
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    Re: Champ: Ace of Aces (9-1) vs Engivale (10-2)

    Ace-Great job man. I had to re-read your piece a couple of times. I thought the flow was terrible the first time I read it, but when I read it again it flowed very nicely. lol i dont know what that was about, but anyway. Your emotion was your storng point. I personally felt for him, and it gripped my attention right off the bat. Your use of internals was as well perfectly executed with not to many or less.

    I comprehend the obvious and then ignore the pieces
    Why is it that the crowd is split when it’s your adhesives?
    I’ve bore the heat since, the matron put my name on
    Then stared into the empty sockets of the same ones
    What is it a game God? To be honest in a blunt saying
    I tipped my penny-camped hat but never had fun playing
    I’d run daily, oh how I wish it was the sun that burned my skin
    So with an earnest grin…I bet you know where I learned this sin
    Absolutely great. The flow, the imagry, the emtion of feeling what he is feeling was all just great. I chorus to this piece it meshed well and it was beautifully written..Great job man..


    Eng- When I first read through each piece I originally had you winning. But thats why i read each piece at least 2-3 times. After re-reading them I have to say your piece was not your normal but was executed rather nicely. Though your take to the topic isnt exactly original, the way your humurous vibe to it was. I felt like you started off slow with the first few lines but picked it up very quickly. Your flow however as usual was just perfect. Your flow is what frst attracts me to your pieces because it rolls off the tongue so fluently it brings your emotion and imagry out 10 fold..


    No marriage contract, I don't want that ---
    No contact between banks to prepare tanks for combat...
    The problem's that we already think it's risky-
    So hit me and slap me for bein' lost in the history...
    It only makes misery...
    This modern medicated affair...
    Sedated and scared to be home alone with enabled despair...
    ^^Simply, Well written. I liked the realness in most of this it was really kinda funny. However i Feel as if Aces heartfelt emotional piece just out did your attempt at a more humurous piece by not much at all. I think with a few more tries with you doing more funny pieces you'd really excell in it..

    Overall A very fitting start from the break in a well fought championship match. WIth Aces emottion edgeing this one.

    v/Ace
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    Ace of Aces:

    Ace, I have read your verse a number of times and I'll be honest with you -- I just wasn't feeling it. It just didn't do anything for me. Honestly, I was just emotionally detached from your content. I had an underlining feeling of indifference the entire way through. I mean don't get me wrong, the wording was sophisticated and the flow was faultless. However, with the exception of the bridge, there were very few lines that I felt were quote worthy. Nothing just popped out at me and made me thing, "WOW this verse was great" . So in an attempt to double check myself I went back and re-read your verse, naturally assuming that your lack of quotable lines (IMO) was due to the fact that the overall message and emotion of the story were serving as substitutes. But to my surprise no matter how many time I went back and read your writing I just couldn't connect the pulse of it ... the heart just wasn't there. And for the first time in a long time ... I just wasn't feeling your work. However, given your excellent writing craftsmanship I can understand how other's might think that your verse was superior to Engivale's. I mean you had a sturdy flow, an impressive scheme, and a certain elegance that always seems to embody your work. So it was a great verse in that regards, speaking from a purely technical standpoint, but conceptually it sort of ... well ... bored me! But ... I mean ... that's just my opinion.



    Best Lines:

    My dreams danced amidst the clouds
    Came back and hit the ground
    So I held my head to the sky
    And asked if I had to live this out

    You laugh with your wisdom proud
    Cuz’ my lack brings this prison down
    I have a hundred reasons to stop
    Still it’s your hands that I kiss when bowed

    ^The wording was beautiful as always and honestly, the emotion was felt here. So yeah, definitely worthy of quotations. Good job!



    Engivale:

    Eng, well buddy I guess I'm the only one that really felt or understood your verse in it's entirety I don't see how other's can't grasp the amount of emotion that was poured forth here. It's obvious your apparent sarcasm was used as a device mechanism to mask the amount of hurt your truly felt (in terms of the writing). Most people use humor as a way to cover up there true feelings, and given the subject matter I assume that was the goal you were trying to achieve or at least that what I took it as. I think like Ace, you did a great job with the technical aspects of the writing, but unlike Ace I think you added more "reader friendly" devices that really captured my attention. I can appreciate the depth of your wordplay and I admired your metaphorical substance. I think overall you gave me more lines worth looking at in terms of quote worthy material. Your verse just seemed littered with intelligent insights and witty phrases, creating a more inviting and lively disposition. It was just more up my alley I suppose. Not to discredit my man Ace in anyway, but honest, I thought on this particular occasion you verse just lapped circles around his. True story .... LOL



    Favorite Lines:

    When the blame is cluttered and lost for a victim,
    The cost is we prosecute the prostitute system...
    Make laws for new prisons, --- Uncle Sam smiles ---
    Jesus is Risen and...
    Isn't that the reason for Man's trials?

    ^LOL, sarcastic, insightful and rhetorical. I don't think anyone really took the time to investigate your lines. I think that they just like the way that it rhymed and how it was worded and in turn just totally disregarded and or failed to notice the message behind it completely. For instance, you speak about victims then you address the prosecution of prostitution, as if to say in a system where 2 consenting adults come to a mutual discussion that does not infringe upon the rights of others -- then where is the crime, or in your words, who is the victim? Then it sort of plays into the last line as well, where you make reference to Jesus, as if to say, we're not being sentenced and or judged on a truly judicial or legal basis as the Constitution would have it, but more lose our fate in the courtroom is at the digression of religious interpretations and believes. Then there's that 2nd line that was just straight up political, "Make laws for new prisons". LOL ... 3 million plus people in jail at an estimated cost of 25k a year to imprison. Which would make the prison system and economic titan, not to much mention all the dirt cheap labor being preformed by inmates. If you can't see the systematic calculations and political agendas in that, then well, you my friend are blind. Dopenes my dude and very clever.



    Also:

    Back to the love, I made a pact with a dove

    ^LOL, that was just a dope line. Dove's are commonly considered to be the bird of love, so it all made perfect sense. Nothing too special about that, but I though it was hot all the same.



    Again:

    So that she feels like she steals SO many hearts...
    Throw many darts through her eyes while she tries
    To show me the arts...
    ^Loved the wording, the poetic tone was nice as well. I suppose that's subliminally referring to the fact that love is bline ...??? But huh, in any case it was dope.



    Finally:

    No marriage contract, I don't want that ---
    No contact between banks to prepare tanks for combat...
    ^ Illest bar of the entire battle. The imagery I obtain from that was of divorce. A war of monetary possession between hateful companions. I mean it could be interpreted in a lot of different way, but that's what I took form it.



    All in all, cool battle, both came to play, but at the end of the day, I just have to go with which verse I enjoyed better. And well ...



    Vote - Engivale






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    Re: Champ: Ace of Aces (9-1) vs Engivale (10-2)


    Ace - First off. Your flow is always well rounded with the use of multi's and internals..and I'd have to agree with LegendZ...about you having it all down from a technical standpoint..but I just couldn't find what everyone else saw..i was really unable to connect with the drop....I found most of the meaning in the chorus type stanza's..and still wasn't really able to grasp the concept...I mean..I understood the drop...but I had trouble finding or grasping the meaningful emotion that connects the reader to the piece....I guess I could say....it was still a good drop but..I've seen better from you..

    fav lines
    My dreams danced amidst the clouds
    Came back and hit the ground
    So I held my head to the sky
    And asked if I had to live this out

    You laugh with your wisdom proud
    Cuz’ my lack brings this prison down
    I have a hundred reasons to stop
    Still it’s your hands that I kiss when bowed
    Eng - Now your opening lines already had me prepared for what was in store..
    What can you purchase with love when your hurt is
    Unbearable but to share it will make your nerves twitch...

    Naked but her nips are cold like iceberg'd ships...
    Hold the nice words for trips on the search for her lips...
    The bolded part really brought the entire connection of the drop right there in the beginning..and it contained much emotion..and solid imagery..

    I felt that you did a better job as far as emotional content..and I loved how you incorporated a lil humor within the drop..kinda hiding the characters true feelings behind a couple of laughs...Your drops always seem to have this intellectual type of vibe to them..with a sort of ironic feel.....
    So hit me and slap me for bein' lost in the history...
    It only makes misery...
    This modern medicated affair...
    Sedated and scared to be home alone with enabled despair...
    The empty table is bare, no woman could stay here...
    The day's clear and I see clouds that dry me up,
    can't buy me love, but I'd save fear...
    again this was dope...kinda like he was saying that money wouldn't buy him love but by being premiscious it would save him the fact of not knowing what love was..kinda like he was unprepared..or scared to find out..dope ish...

    Overall I just think Eng's drop was more reader friendly..and I could feel his a bit more...this was a great battle IMO...like 2 totally opposite drops..one reader friendly...and one writer friendly..IMO...but good job at both..

    V - Eng.

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    Re: Champ: Ace of Aces (9-1) vs Engivale (10-2)

    Ace:
    Your imagery was good. I felt that flow was very consistent. You didn't try and slack off anywhere. You kept a good vocab. The emotion that was used was well suited for each bar. You didn't seem to over do it or stress anything at any time. The verses themselves were well constructed with a steady flow and supporting grammar. My favorite lines from you were:
    With a keeling of lies, though she was quick to snip roses
    It happened twice to her, do you convict what it poses?
    She was sick and lived broken, until she had me
    So I could wilt as a last piece that you built and cracked clean?
    That there expressed the miracle of life and the joys it brings. That itself possessed great emotion. To bring someone from depression to unsurpassed joy.....is A Hundred Reasons alone. This was a great read.

    Engivale:
    Your imagery was good. I felt your flow was good and imagery was well placed throughout the verses. The grammar chosen was nice. You never seemed to get out of hand and try to over do it. You always seemed to be.......on point with the instances chosen. Your emotion was good. You had a steady feeling throughout. It wasn't bouncing every where like a volley ball. You seemed to keep it together. My favorite lines from you would be:
    I'd keep it in match boxes like evil in past causes-
    I need you but I'm full of greed and my cash losses...
    That there exposed true hate for respect and the coveting of self pleasure. Beyond sexual, but more so in the sense of money, love, and leisure. This overall was a good read.

    Both came with good reads. Neither one seemed to be slacking or getting out of hand with details or being shady with the matters. They both came with it and let their minds boggle the topics. Overall I feel that Ace took this with his emotional approach and imagery.

    v.Ace
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    He can never touch her again


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    Re: Champ: Ace of Aces (9-1) vs Engivale (10-2)

    Ace: Very emotional piece and great choice of words to build that emotion up. I really liked your rhyme-scheme, the opposite of boring... it was complex and flowed well... for some strange reason, the style you chose to flow with gave a Sage Francis vibe (sorry if u ain't a Sage fan or dislike him)... but yeah, dope shit here, but i felt it lacked that type of detail to let me know exactly what's happening... i couldn't get that imagery of what was going on... it was just a well written piece towards a guardian of yours (maybe it's something personal so u didn't really say who u were talkin about) but yeah, sorry if i just couldn't understand who the character was talking to exactly.. cuz at first i thought it was a mother, but then i notice u say u never had a father, mother ect so it threw me off... ehh maybe i'm just retarded. anyways, overall, i enjoyed it.

    Eng: I liked how you kept it simple yet complex, it gives more of a hip-hop vibe rather than a spoken word vibe like Ace seemed to show. Your rhyme-scheme was dope, very natural, nothing forced. The concept was enjoyable, it just drew me in more than Ace's... i guess it's cuz of the attitude of your character, it was just more original and interesting to be spoken to by the perspective you were in. It was a great ending, very straight forward and strong, the emotion was felt thru-out and i can feel that anger in the piece.

    v/Engivale... Technically, this was close, but it wasn't too hard for me to decide who to vote for when it came to your overall pieces... Eng's was simply more enjoyable with the character he put himself into.

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    Re: Champ: Ace of Aces (9-1) vs Engivale (10-2)

    i read both of these the first day you guys dropped.

    but ill leave feed, since the jist of this dilemma falls on me. okay.

    ACE:
    First breath and my curse sets the second the nurse slits
    That which usurps kids from being the Earth’s next
    Version of worst mis…carriages, varied in portions
    Parrying corpses, but I’m not talking chariot horses
    You carry the force that, gives our seasons to life
    You see my mother prayed for your touch
    …but was left feeling the sky
    With a keeling of lies, though she was quick to snip roses
    It happened twice to her, do you convict what it poses?
    She was sick and lived broken, until she had me
    So I could wilt as a last piece that you built and cracked clean?
    those lines were well done, especially the chariot horses bar. cot damn. your verse was pretty decent, but below the expecations i had from you coming in. a fair amount of imagery, and some good emotion in the piece. not going to go that deep into it...good read.

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    eng;

    you had this, when i started to see people voting for ace *no offence* i was wondering if they actually read the drops, or atleast tuned in. your story was fresh and original. you had some sick lines too...


    What can you purchase with love when your hurt is
    Unbearable but to share it will make your nerves twitch...

    Back to the love, I made a pact with a dove --
    I promise to remain honest and grab with a glove....

    No marriage contract, I don't want that ---
    No contact between banks to prepare tanks for combat...


    and

    your closer ma dude.

    I'd keep it in match boxes like evil in past causes-
    I need you but I'm full of greed and my cash losses...
    The rap pauses - Skip a beat - And hit the street-
    My last loss is lit'rally because of the last bitch
    that showed her tits to me...

    damn. you killed it eng. hands down.

    good battle...

    v/ eng

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    Re: Champ: Ace of Aces (9-1) vs Engivale (10-2)

    Engivale wins 4 votes to 3 and is now champ at (11-2)
    Ace of Aces loses and is now (9-2) and will not be eligible for a contender's match next week.

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